Sven Roeder
12:57 Sun Oct 10
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England Ashes squad to be named today.
No Stokes, Archer or Stone but all the players who were doubts .... Root, Buttler, Woakes, Bairstow , Malan & Wood ... are available for selection.
Sibley likely to miss out along with Foakes & Bracey (remember him ... wicketkeeper batsman who cant keep or bat) according to Cricinfo.
Leach & Bess to take the spinners spots with M Ali retiring & probably only one of C Overton & S Mahmood going.
Lions squad to shadow the team so England with have about 35 players on hand.
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tanman
11:02 Wed Oct 6
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*was not I meant.
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tanman
11:02 Wed Oct 6
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I agree, Mo Ali was the the premier spinner in County cricket. Not sure who was but at the time county pitches were green tops that any spinner would have struggled on.Jesse Ryder was taking loads of wickets at Chelmsford at the time.
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Sven Roeder
10:24 Wed Oct 6
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England expected now to turn up for the Ashes as Joe Root has agreed to go
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southbankbornnbred
4:09 Thu Sep 30
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Dr Matty - do you just make shit up on a whim all of the time?
Moeen was NOT, by any means, England's premier spinner when he made his debut at test level early in the summer of 2014.
He'd been significantly outbowled by the likes of Simon Kerrigan, the one-cap wonder, the previous summer. Several spinners were comfortably ahead of him.
He was picked because, in 2013, he topped Division Two for the most runs.
He was picked primarily for his batting, initially.
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Eerie Descent
3:58 Thu Sep 30
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'Moeen suffered'
Fucking hell.
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Northern Sold
3:56 Thu Sep 30
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I like Moeen.... he was a proper shit for brains cricketer in the test arena.. I also liked that he had a nest of baby starlings nesing in his beard
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Dr Matt
3:52 Thu Sep 30
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Moeen was the best spinner in County Cricket just before he got picked for England.
He wasn’t bowling because of Saeed Ajmal - at the time the premier spinner in world cricket.
He would have been first choice spinner anywhere else regardless of the fact he could bat top 5.
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southbankbornnbred
3:11 Thu Sep 30
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Moeen started out life, at county level, as primarily a batsmen who could bowl as a second-string spinner.
But when he first burst onto the test scene, he enjoyed what was a dispropoprtionate (to his bowling talent) success as a spinner.
So the selectors convinced themselves they had themselves a frontline bowler and all-rounder. The problem was, over time, and given a load of video etc of him to watch, opponents worked out how to play his basic spin.
He doesn't turn the ball enough to trouble the very best batsmen on pitches that are anything other than a spin-friendly surface. And he always bowled quite flat - probably the result of playing a lot of one-dayers.
Hence he averaged 36 for test wickets. The problem, in the meantime, was that he batted so far down the order that he never really developed as a frontline batsmen either - often being asked to mind the tail or swat for swift runs before the likes of Broad and Anderson got cleaned up.
So despite playing 65 tests, his test career was all a bit unsatisfactory.
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Westside
1:30 Thu Sep 30
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Moeen suffered with the England selectors' obsession to try and bolster England's brittle batting line up by shortening the tail. Tried to make Moeen number 1 spinner, so he could bat number 8. Rather than by picking the 4 best bowlers.
Similar to continuing to pick Sam Curran as 3rd seamer, thinking he can be an all rounder, when he's never had a five wicket test haul and averages a massive 17 with the bat in his last 10 tests.
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Sniper
12:59 Thu Sep 30
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I always felt that, when he first started out, moeen was seen as a really good batsman who could bowl some decent spin. And then, over time, that seemed to transition to ‘he’s out me best soin bowler’ and then ‘he’s a really good spinner who can bat a bit’
But he never really seemed to believe or want to believe in his spinning and he totally lost it with the bat. Wonderful technique coupled with insane decisions. He’s said in a bbc interview that moving around the order so much affected him (which I can understand to an extent, but getting out to a stupid shot is the same thing whether you bat 6 or 7) but I always felt like he was the best of what’ we had and didn’t really want to be our front line spinner
Maybe at last leach will actually get a run in the team to try to develop - he’ll never be Swann but by leaving him on the shelf he could deteriorate into Robert Croft!
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Eerie Descent
12:00 Thu Sep 30
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Moeen Ali, he who refused to wear a Poppy throughout his lucrative England career, what a classy, humble guy.
The useless, gutless minge won't be missed.
The other 2 looks like Butter & Stokes, only 1 will be missed. Surely Foakes gets the Turtles now.
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master
11:47 Thu Sep 30
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Moeen
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master
11:46 Thu Sep 30
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Modern Ali, England vice captain as it stands, found test cricket a bit long and felt as though he couldn't get into it. He is however, very happy to continue playing the sort format of the game where you can earn an absolute fortune touring the world.
Absolutely vice captain material. Ticks all the relevant boxes. None of those boxes used to be relevant, but are these days.
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Come On You Irons
11:40 Thu Sep 30
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The proper stuff (the England home cricket season) is over. Who gives a flying fuck about "The Bob Willis Trophy"?
Only sad acts who follow county cricket religiously pay even the slightest attention to such drivel in late September/early October. Fuck off.
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southbankbornnbred
11:31 Thu Sep 30
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The season hasn't finished, fella.
If you paid even the slightest bit of attention to anything other than Benrahma's ass, then you'd know that.
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Come On You Irons
11:09 Thu Sep 30
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The cricket season is over. Time to lock this thread methinks.
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southbankbornnbred
11:07 Thu Sep 30
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Stokes is the third player, although that’s just speculation.
It seems that the ECB are worried that ‘big name’ withdrawals will have a knock-on effect.
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southbankbornnbred
10:59 Thu Sep 30
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Fair point, Griff.
Although if we judge it by form alone, the only player who really matters is Root!
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southbankbornnbred
10:56 Thu Sep 30
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And the Pakistan “tour” cancellation, it seems, WAS down to a legitimate security ‘threat’ in the wake of Afghanistan etc.
They were advised not to risk it in the current climate.
Remains to be seen how real that threat was, of course. But nobody is going to receive that advice and still tour.
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stewie griffin
10:55 Thu Sep 30
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depends who the third is as to whether its even vaguely significant.
Buttler is one of them, has said as much overnight, and as much as i like him, we have multiple wicketkeeper-batsmen who can average 34; so no great loss, just as Moeen isn't.
Still, the curtain twitching LOLstralians are quite the embarrassment.
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